38. A Behind-The-Scenes Look At the Power of Coaching With Our Client Jackie
Have you ever wondered what it's really like to work with a coach, and more specifically, what it’s like to coach with us? What kind of transformation is possible when you commit to investing in yourself and your growth? In this episode, we pull back the curtain and invite one of our rockstar clients to share her experience.
Jackie recently completed a 6-month coaching container with us, and the results she achieved are truly incredible. She went from feeling overwhelmed, anxious, and on the verge of burning out at work to rediscovering her confidence, setting better boundaries, and showing up as a more present leader and parent.
If you've been curious about coaching but unsure if it's right for you, we’re here to give you an honest, behind-the-scenes look at the process. Jackie shares openly about her initial hesitations, the challenges she faced along the way, and the life-changing breakthroughs she experienced. You'll also hear our reflections as coaches on what made Jackie such a dream client and the key things that allowed her to get such phenomenal results.
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What You’ll Learn from this Episode:
How coaching helped Jackie go from losing herself to feeling grounded and confident at work and at home.
The science-based tools Jackie learned to manage her mind, navigate triggers, and communicate more effectively.
Why investing in coaching is never a selfish endeavor and how it creates a positive ripple effect in all areas of life.
What made Jackie's experience with the two-coach model so powerful and transformative.
The importance of being able to trust the process, even when it feels uncomfortable.
Why our scientific approach to coaching appealed to Jackie from the outset.
How to know if you're ready for coaching and what to consider when choosing the right coach for you.
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Full Episode Transcript:
Kelle Cobble: Hey, I'm Kelly.
Nina Lynch: And I'm Nina.
Kelle: Have you ever wondered what it's like to actually coach with us?
Nina: Curious to hear from an actual client about their experience.
Kelle: Yeah, their wins their hesitations, their challenges and honest opinions.
Nina Lynch: Well today that's where we'll go with our rock star client Jackie who just finished working with us for six months Stay tuned as we unpack all the things with her right here on another episode of Ambitious-ish with you. Burnout? Check. Daily overwhelm? Check. Resentment rash, stress, and a complete lack of well-being? Check, check, check! You’re not alone. We’re your hosts, Kelle & Nina, and we are here to help you feel calm, balanced, and empowered so you can redefine success, make choices that feel authentic, and ACTUALLY enjoy the life you work so hard to create. You ready? Let’s go.
Nina: Hey, and welcome to the show today. We have such a special treat planned. Kelly and I are so excited to welcome our first guest onto Ambitious-ish. Welcome Jackie, our client Jackie. Yay. Hi.
Kelle: Hi, Jackie.
Jackie: Hi, ladies.
Nina: So nice to see you today. We were just talking about how it is like dumping snow in Park City and Jackie's not in Park City. And so we're envious.
Kelle: Yeah.
Jackie: That's fair. It's been random. I'm in New England, but it's been like 80 degree days here in November, so it's bizarre.
Kelle: Wow. Wow. That is amazing.
Nina: Okay. So let's jump in, Jackie. This is so cool. We've heard from listeners and actually friends too who are like, I think it'd be really cool if you brought a client on. Can you bring a client on so we can get a feel for what it's like to work with you guys, what that client experience is like? So thank you for coming on. We just finished six months of coaching with Jackie and so we are jumping on the opportunity to chat with her today. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what's on your plate on a daily basis, Jackie, and what brought you to coaching?
Jackie: Yeah, sure. So I head up a tax and treasury function for a publicly traded company. So it's a lot of grind. It's a lot of busy, there's a lot of stressful peaks. There's a lot of managing teams working in a corporate environment. And all of that can amount to, you know, a decent amount of stress just based on who I am, my work ethic, trying to work hard, grind through, get through the days. I was really running myself ragged and I needed help. I needed help to kind of unwind where I was, what I actually wanted out of my life. And you guys were so, so, so helpful to me in that.
Nina: The grind sounds familiar.
Kelle: Totally the grind.
Nina: Yeah. Yeah. And so tell us, first of all, like what did you know about coaching before you met us? And why did coaching stand out as a vehicle for what you thought you needed? All the things.
Jackie: Yeah. Truthfully, I knew nothing about coaching other than why the heck would I need coaching? Nobody else is doing coaching. There's nobody I know who's doing coaching. So why would I even consider this? So I came to you guys with an absolute clean slate, wasn't even sure what to expect, to be completely honest and really honestly thinking that I was being, you know, a little off the wall and even considering this for myself. And I was dead wrong, absolutely dead wrong. It was one of the absolute best investments I could ever have made.
Nina: So if you were to like draw a picture of Jackie before coaching, can you tell us what that picture would look like? You know, the small things and the larger things.
Jackie: Yeah, I was in a constant state of stress. I was wound in a knot to be completely honest. I don't know how else to describe it. I was losing confidence in myself. I was losing joy in my job. I love my job. My job is challenging, but that's part of what I like about it. But instead of it feeling that way, it was everything you guys say, you know, resentment, a constant believing that you're not good enough, all of those things. And sure, that's what's happening to you professionally. But when you spend a lot of time at work that's eking into your personal life, into your family life. I didn't feel as present with my family. I didn't feel as present with my son. And it was just constantly rushing from one thing to the next.
Nina: Okay. And so how was this showing up? If you can get a little bit more specific, you know, how is this showing up at work? How is this showing up with your family?
Jackie: So I would say at work, you know, I always strive to be a top performer. I strive to make sure that I'm adding value within my organization. I strive to be sure that I'm supporting my team in the right ways. And every workplace has its unique way about it. But what I was finding was having to go into the committee meetings, going in and meeting with the CFO, the CEO, all of those things were starting to feel really, really heavy. I started to feel as if I wasn't heard.
And potentially, I wasn't because I was so overwhelmed and I couldn't communicate as clearly as I wanted to because I was in that level of overwhelm. And so, you know, maybe it wasn't as disastrous as my mind was making it seem to be, but I had to really walk back and figure out when I put myself in the room and you guys taught me this through science and how to think about it and understand that I was really just experiencing the things the way someone ought to be in those situations. I can now go into a room and understand what are my objectives in that room and not worry so much about reading what everyone else in that room is thinking or overanalyzing what they're doing or worrying about how I'm presenting myself. It's much more now I'm able to go into that room, know what I'm trying to achieve. I'm much calmer. I'm much more confident. I am a work in progress. It is not perfect, but it is a massive strides in a better direction.
Kelle: I remember when we first talked to you and we were talking about stress and emotional management and you mentioned that your life was overwhelming. Your job was very demanding and you said, I know who I am. I could be working at McDonald's and still be stressed out. It's who I am. I wish my career hadn't advanced as high as it has.
Jackie: That's totally true. I was questioning everything. I wanted to quit. I wanted to be done. I didn't want to do this anymore.
Kelle: Yeah. And now, like, where are you with that?
Jackie: So you know I don't know how else to say it other than I'm in a much, much better place. This doesn't mean that there aren't days where I'm like, why am I doing this? Oh, I wish that I could just call it a day. But really, where I sit with this now is I just have the ability to step back to think on purpose, as you guys would say, about what's happening around me.
I've got the tools now, you guys have given me the tools to be able to be thoughtful about how I want my day to go, to be thoughtful about what my objectives are in any given week, to be more realistic about what I'm actually able to accomplish in any given week, because expectations are everything. And what that's really doing for me, my career is incredibly important. But at the end of the day, I'm here at work because I want a great life for my son, because, you know, I want to be challenged, but I also want that time to enjoy having been challenged, to be able to spend time at home, to be able to do those things. And again, I'm a work in progress, but I'm finding that I'm able to be much more present in every moment that I'm in, as opposed to being in a complete and total tangled knot of anxiety at every moment of the day.
Kelle: Oof. Yeah, I feel that. Yeah.
Nina: Yeah, I totally feel that. Oof. Yeah, for sure. Let's go back six months ago and just, you know, when we first met you on a consultation, tell us what your hesitations were about committing to the commitment.
Jackie: Yeah, I had never done anything like this before. I am the queen of canceling meetings left and right just to make it all fit and bouncing things around, putting probably everyone other than myself first in that chain of events, controlling anything that I'd scheduled for myself when work was more of a priority. So twofold for me, I think my two biggest concerns entering coaching were, number one, how the heck is the other person on the other side of the phone going to understand what I need, be able to help me?
I was incredibly doubtful, I'll be honest, ladies, I'm sorry to say it, but I was. And then even if I felt that connection, even if I felt that ability to be coached, how was I actually going to carve out the time and do it? And what I would say is I did that intro call that you guys offered, even that was like a leap of faith, but I said, why not give it a shot? The moment I spoke to the two of you, I just knew, I knew it was a fit. I don't think that it's easy to come by, but it was an absolute fit. You had me with science right from the get go. And it was crystal clear from that, whatever, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, that this was something I needed to carve out the time for myself for. And I stuck with it. And I'm so glad I did. It never felt like a burden to get on the phone. It was something I looked to. It was beneficial. It always helped me to be more productive, certainly not less productive, even though I carved out that time for myself.
Kelle: Amazing. Yeah. Well, and I was just going to mention that that doesn't mean like you showed up in a way that we love as coaches, like you showed up nearly every week. a couple of weeks when, you know, a meeting got put in and you're like, there's no way I can meet with you guys. This week is crazy. And it was never a problem. It was just you realizing like, hey, I can't do it this week, but you were still committed to doing the work even on weeks that we didn't necessarily meet up. So when we say meet up, we're on zoom every week with our calls with clients. And again, sometimes it's not every week. Sometimes it ends up being every other week or sometimes we just need to push. So we just recognize that and you were really a client that, and we love this. We call you our best client because our best clients like to show up not every single week, but a lot of the time and do the work. And when I say do the work, it's like homework. But can you tell us a little bit about the homework and how that was for you.
Jackie: Yeah, I think to be fair, I think that was one of the absolute best parts. So first of all, you guys didn't, at least from my observation, follow this structured and rigid approach. I would come to the call, you would feel me out, what did I need that day? And I feel like it was really fluid. You gave me what I needed in that hour. and then from that hour, I would have homework from you. It wasn't homework that I had to do. It was a tool that you guys I think just knew I needed based upon where I met you that day. So you would give me all these different ways to reflect on how I was feeling or how I was approaching things, whether that was a thought release or I think it was the color wheel was one of my favorites.
And because it was so fluid and because you were giving me the tool that I really, really needed in that moment, I would reflect on it after we would get off that call. I feel great getting off the call. And then, you know, your natural tendency is to kind of go back to the way you were feeling before somebody had talked you off the ledge, so to speak. And those tools help to kind of ground you back to where you were. And so you're giving someone the ability to help themselves. So this is long lasting, it's super impactful, and it carries with you. And having that homework and giving you those tools real time allowed you to see that you can do this, you can use these tools in the future even when Kelly and Nina aren't on the phone call with you.
Nina: What was it like between sessions for you? So we met you for an hour a week and it was just badass and awesome and I really feel like we moved the needle like every time we met you. What was it like in between? Were you kind of you know deer in headlights or how was it? Did you feel supported? Were you kind of like F what am I doing?
Jackie: No, I always felt super, super supported. And I think, by the way, to the point of the homework, I think if I hadn't had the homework, I wouldn't have felt supported. But it helped to give you something to focus on, right? And so even something to act on, right? If you're in action, if you're somebody who is like we are, right, where you do constantly feel this need to go, to be able to even have a way to act when you start to feel that you're overdoing or you're kind of falling back into your previous habits or whatever, that helped to keep you supported, it helped to keep you accountable. And it was never, oh, I have to do this. But there was a lot of, okay, well, you've committed, you've carved out this investment for yourself, this time and everything else. So let's see this through. And having something that held you accountable to yourself, and had you referring to it even again, outside of session, was super, super powerful, I think.
Nina: Nice. And so coming into, again, like the beginning of the container, were you clear on like the process and how this was going to roll out?
Jackie: Well, initially, of course, no. After the first intro session, you guys gave me a feeling, but it wasn't what I thought, I'll be honest, right? I had really high hopes, but it far exceeded what I thought it would be. And again, I think because of the way that you guys approached it, you know, the ease and speaking with you, sharing stuff with you guys, that's not easy to be able to say out loud, it was so much more than I expected that it would be.
Nina: And just a reflection as your coach, I think what's so beautiful about that is when a client comes to a six-month container and can just trust the process and not have all the answers right away and really just sit shotgun and put her seatbelt on and let's effing go sort of thing, you know, and not be overly concerned with what's next in the homework and like overly, right? Because that's what we do, right? And so just the fact that you came into the process with that willingness, you're not just able, you were willing, right? Willing and able to just trust the process, trust us as your coaches, and also trust yourself. I mean, we built belief in yourself along the way, right? And I mean, that was there from the very beginning, Kelly and I saw it. We just had to kind of help you grow it.
Jackie: Well, I appreciate you saying that, but I think that has a lot to do with you guys because I didn't trust the process to anything prior to coaching. So what you just described is exactly what coaching gave me. And if it hadn't been the two of you, it wouldn't have happened as quickly as it did and as fluidly as it did. So thanks for that.
Kelle: Yeah, there was definitely some courage and bravery that you brought. That was just like, I don't know for sure what is going on here. But we're just going to keep going with it. Totally.
Nina: And so we kind of talked about hesitations. Were there challenges? Were there times when you were like, you know, were there kind of, you know, just sort of times when you were confused or just challenges? Yeah.
Jackie: Yeah, absolutely. Right. So I think the one that comes to mind, again, I'm a work in progress. We all are. And we always will be. What you guys helped me to kind of work through is not even professional, but personal in nature. Right. So I came to you guys, I'm about five months in remission from cancer. And so I was sick during COVID and all kinds of stuff. And my way of getting through that at the time was my typical way of being, which is gut it out, don't let anything get in your way, plow through, you've got this, just keep moving forward.
And so I built this whole persona of just having to move forward, never allowing myself to stop and reflect, never allowing myself to actually process what was going on. That was probably my defense mechanism. And so coming to you guys, part of this was really having to reflect on how I got where I am, why I feel the way I feel. And there's still a lot to unpack that I just kind of shoved behind me and kept moving forward from. So there's a lot of exercises that you've helped me with. There's more to be done on all of that. Sometimes really doing that hard work to look back and see, relive, unpack. That's challenging, right? Very, very challenging, but super powerful and super important.
Kelle: One thing that really stood out for me is when we were first talking to you, and we're kind of talking about your self-concept, and you said, I'm watching my confidence tank. I'm losing myself. I can feel it. What do you have to say about that now?
Jackie: It's hard to hear it now because that was the best way I could describe how I felt, right? And I'm very career driven. I've worked very hard to get where I was, overcome adversity in many cases, right? And I finally reached this point where things were actually going well. When I look at it professionally, I was achieving the things that I had always wanted to, but it felt the opposite. It felt like I was totally losing myself. It felt like that lack of confidence I had. It was eroding everything I had been working for, even when it felt like I was achieving the things that I had wanted. And so it's hard to reflect back and hear that. And certainly, our confidence shakes. That's part of life. That's part of being human. But being able to acknowledge it and have you guys help me through that was, again, probably the single most important thing I could have done for myself based upon where I am in my career and in my life, quite frankly.
Kelle: Yeah. So if you were to look at your self-confidence and your self-concept now, what does that look like?
Jackie: It's much better, right? So I think I'm not going to say perfect. I'm not going to say it's where it ultimately could be. Part of that is you're always going to be hard on yourself because you're always wanting to achieve more. And so I think that that's an okay thing to have. But I think when I reflect on where I am now, I am confident again. I am able to walk in a room with only mild levels of anxiety. Things of that nature.
Nina: I am looking at this beautiful e-mail you sent us about kind of summarizing your accountability list, right? Kind of your takeaways from the container. And I remember just reflecting on it. I remember kind of something you did for yourself when we first met to remind yourself of this vision we helped you develop, right? Future Jackie. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
Jackie: Yeah, this is probably my favorite thing, right? And it's the tool that I use all the time now. So when we started, you guys didn't ask me about my job. You didn't even ask me about my family necessarily. You asked me who I wanted to be and how I wanted to feel. And again, the point of that is really just cutting back to who are you at your core, right? And how do you want to show up? And that's how you guys would phrase it. Who do you want to be at this moment? And again, when I came to you guys at the start, I was a total mess, total mess. And so my approach was I wrote who on my wrist, just in pen, right? And that was my cue to myself when I would walk into a room or when I was in an exchange with someone who, you know, might not be the easiest person to interact with. Who did I want to be in that moment? Not who did they want me to be? Not how should I be? Who did I want to be? And that was grounding at every turn. And it's really what I've used most to get back to myself, to get back to who I do want to be.
Kelle: We always say who before how, right? Well, how about this? We can go very sort of specific and talk about in detail takeaways, but what exactly will you take away from the coaching?
Jackie: I think the key things that I'm taking away from all coaching and all the conversations we've had is expectations, right? I think it starts from expectations. So you have to be realistic with your ambition. You can't be your own bully, right? You can't overdo it. Those things are actually just going to rob your productivity from you. It's going to rob you of the ability to enjoy your work, enjoy what you are working for. So I think that that's probably one of the biggest things. And then I think how you guys really, really helped me is so many times we blame it on ourselves it's well I'm anxious because I'm a mess or you know I'm not coming across right because of this or I'm reading what this person is saying to me this way because you know whatever that's not true you guys brought me to science you always take us back to okay your mind is interpreting this this way because science says that it should right all of those things so as soon as you can really cut back to the why your body or your mind or your being is, you know, looking mind or your being is, you know, looking you not to pick on yourself, it helps you to move forward and take a breath, figure it out and go the way that you need to go.
Nina: Wow. Rock star.
Jackie: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Nina: If that's a takeaway, we'll take it. We'll give it to you. It's awesome. So how complete do you feel right now, Jackie? How complete do you feel after six months of coaching?
Jackie: How complete? That's an interesting question. I have so much more to do, there's so much more to be done, there's so much more growth to be had, all of that. So I don't feel anywhere near complete, but I feel like for the first time in a long time, I'm on the right path. I think you guys helped me to just clear, right? Clear the path, clear the direction that I needed to go so that I can keep moving forward.
Nina: There's always another level, right? With the women we work with, Kel?
Kelle: Yes, we just keep going. There's just that continuing to evolve, right? Like we're always evolving. And so there's always like another, yeah, like you said, Nina, level two. Not to get to, but it's like the self-concept that you're creating for yourself. And it's growing the self-concept of who you are and what you're capable of, always.
Nina: I feel like with a lot of the women we work with too, it's like when you get to that kind of sticky plateau zone and you're sort of like, okay, not the messy middle, but you get a little comfortable, it's kind of time to Tabata. Like it's kind of time to go big again. And so it's fun. It's fun working with these women. Cause there's always like, wait, is it time to Tabata? Maybe.
Kelle: Yeah. Yeah.
Jackie: I think you guys also helped me too to realize like you're in a chapter. This isn't everything, right? You get so laser focused and you get so zoned in on what you're trying to achieve in that moment. But you do, you have to step back and look at the big picture. You're at a chapter. You don't need everything to be perfect. It doesn't all need to be perfect right now, but you have to be present. You have to be there for it. And you have to take from that experience, those opportunities in front of you, whatever you can, so that you can build into the future.
Kelle: I love that. I have one more kind of, so when people come to us, they're kind of coming to us with like one specific problem, like work, you know, and just talking about like how that, even though we would spend a lot of time talking about work and relationships at work and kind of the chaos at work and all that kind of stuff, how that rippled into other areas of your life.
Jackie: Yeah, I think when I came to you guys, typical corporate, right, totally under-resourced at work, so much on your plate, trying to build a team, trying to, you know, manage forward, which means you're working more hours. And so you're working more hours and those hours are becoming more stressful on top of the fact that you're working too many hours. And as ambitious as I may be at times and as much as I love my career, that's not my core, that's not who I am. What matters to me most is my family, my husband and my son, my dog, all of that, right? What I was truly finding was that I would go home and I was so excited to see everybody and I was too exhausted to enjoy it. And then I felt like because I was so tired because I was in a knot, right? Even the moments that I had carved out to be with my son, I was still
Jackie: There, I was still there for him. It wasn't as if I was absent by any stretch, but I just wasn't as present and in the moment as I wanted to be. And so when I realized that, and when I realized it was taking a toll, even in downtime, right, or the times that I should have been enjoying more, that's when I knew I needed to do something. And I'll be honest, at that time, my solution was like, I just got to quit my job, got to move on, this is too much. And so having gone through this process, gone through the six months, what you guys taught me is, okay, you know, sometimes maybe you're not the right fit. Maybe it's not the right job, but that's not the point. You have to develop the skills, the tools to be able to adapt and find yourself in any situation. Because even if you leave this one and you don't give yourself the tools to be successful at the next, you're just going to repeat the process you were just in and you're never going to get to where you want to be. And so being able to work through that slow down, not make rash decisions, not just completely abandon ship, that was huge for me.
Nina: Okay, so Jackie, how about this? Could you share a new thought or belief you have about yourself after having been through coaching?
Jackie: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I guess mine isn't so much that it's a new thought. I think it's an old thought that I started to disbelieve, right? So I've always been a firm believer that, you know, you should treat other people the way that you want to be treated and, you know, you used to feel that you couldn't be. so long as you were trying to do the right things for your organization and the people around you. Sometimes in the corporate world you get a little tainted and you start to see other people get ahead for doing the opposite and it starts to make you think to yourself maybe I'm doing this wrong maybe this isn't the right approach or maybe this isn't the right place for me or any number of variations of that and I think what I've seen in the past six months months, after slowing down, after having a little bit more trust and faith in myself, I was right at the get-go. You can lead by doing the right things for the organization and the people around you. You should lead from that place of kindness and from trying to be inclusive and make sure that all voices are heard. And when you come across those folks who are a little bit more cutthroat, that's their approach. That's them being them. It shouldn't be a reflection of you. doesn't mean you need to lead that same way, or it doesn't mean that you can't still be successful, even with that culture kind of surrounding him.
Nina: That's cool. That's self-confidence, I think.
Kelle: If someone's on the fence or thinking about coaching, what would you tell them to give them a nudge not to actually just say yes, but to like, at least explore it?
Jackie: I think for anybody who's on the fence about coaching, or somebody who doesn't even know anything about it, at least consider it, right? And you guys, right, you offered that intro session, like, let's meet, let's just tell you what it's kind of about. There is no reason for someone not to do that. It's the same thing as, you know, considering a job interview, like, why would you not consider the job you have all the time in the world to say no to, you should at least consider it. And so what I think is super powerful, if you're going to go down this road and do this, you have to be sure that the people that you're talking to are a fit for you. And again, with you guys, I knew within minutes that it was absolutely the right fit for me. And just your approach, the methodologies, the fact that this was science-backed. It wasn't, let's just talk in a room. It was also, for me, something that was super important. It didn't feel like
Jackie: rah-rah girls, right? It was, again, science-backed. Yes, we are women. Yes, we bring something to the table that might be different than men might, right? But that's not the point. You can't approach this from a mentality of because I am a woman, I have to do things differently. It was just how do you operate in any set environment? And so finding a coach for me that handled things that way, that this wasn't going to be rah-rah woman power, that was amazing for me. And so there's zero reason not to get on an intro phone call. There's zero reason not to make this investment in yourself. There's zero reason not to try to do something that's going to help you moving forward because guess what? You're not just helping yourself. You're helping your family. You're helping your organization. You're helping your team. You're helping everyone. So it's not just for you. It's not a selfish endeavor.
Nina: Yeah, that's a great point. And that's something that we did touch on, right? Like self-care is community care. Like when you do invest in yourself, it's just the ripple effect. It's just really impactful.
Kelle: Okay, that brought up one more question for me, because Nina and I do things a little bit different, because you have two coaches coaching you at the same time. So how was that for you?
Jackie: I think that was the neatest part of it. I don't know. And actually, now that you say that, I was a little concerned about that at the start, because I didn't understand how that would work. I think one of the coolest things was that there were two of you. So similar, right? And you guys are coming from the same place. But it was two different perspectives. And one of you might say something in one situation that just as you guys would say, how does that land for you would land more, you just say it in a way that it connected for me. And it felt like you were just having a conversation, it almost took the pressure off of you. It was the three of us having a conversation. And that helped it to be really fluid and just really comfortable from the get-go.
Nina: I mean, we love it. We're biased though.
Kelle: We have so much fun doing this. We are very passionate about what we do and we want our clients to hop on a call. And of course, we're getting shit done, but we want to do it in a way that's also like we are kind of like your girlfriends hanging out with you, except for we're not just offering advice, we're offering tools so that you can figure out the best way to move forward for yourself.
Nina: We're going to ask you those hard questions that your friends aren't going to ask because they don't want you to be mad at them. Yeah. We're not just going to agree with you and believe everything that you say. Yeah.
Jackie: Yes.
Nina: Yes. I had a client text me last week. They go, I hate you with a heart. And I was like, I can handle that. That's absolutely perfect. I got that. I got that. It's true. It's true.
Kelle: Yeah. Okay. Well, Jackie, thank you so much for trusting us to be your coaches. Thank you for coming on and being willing to talk to the ambitious-ish audience that you are very much a part of. We just really appreciate you.
Jackie: Well, thank you, guys. You truly, truly, truly have made a difference for me, and I will be forever grateful.
Nina: So welcome. This is so cool. your time and we'll chat soon of course. Yes, see you next time. That's all for today. Thanks all. Bye.
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Kelle: Have you ever wondered what it's like to actually coach with us?
Nina: Curious to hear from an actual client about their experience.
Kelle: Yeah, their wins their hesitations, their challenges and honest opinions.
Nina Lynch: Well today that's where we'll go with our rock star client Jackie who just finished working with us for six months Stay tuned as we unpack all the things with her right here on another episode of Ambitious-ish with you. Burnout? Check. Daily overwhelm? Check. Resentment rash, stress, and a complete lack of well-being? Check, check, check! You’re not alone. We’re your hosts, Kelle & Nina, and we are here to help you feel calm, balanced, and empowered so you can redefine success, make choices that feel authentic, and ACTUALLY enjoy the life you work so hard to create. You ready? Let’s go.
Nina: Hey, and welcome to the show today. We have such a special treat planned. Kelly and I are so excited to welcome our first guest onto Ambitious-ish. Welcome Jackie, our client Jackie. Yay. Hi.
Kelle: Hi, Jackie.
Jackie: Hi, ladies.
Nina: So nice to see you today. We were just talking about how it is like dumping snow in Park City and Jackie's not in Park City. And so we're envious.
Kelle: Yeah.
Jackie: That's fair. It's been random. I'm in New England, but it's been like 80 degree days here in November, so it's bizarre.
Kelle: Wow. Wow. That is amazing.
Nina: Okay. So let's jump in, Jackie. This is so cool. We've heard from listeners and actually friends too who are like, I think it'd be really cool if you brought a client on. Can you bring a client on so we can get a feel for what it's like to work with you guys, what that client experience is like? So thank you for coming on. We just finished six months of coaching with Jackie and so we are jumping on the opportunity to chat with her today. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what's on your plate on a daily basis, Jackie, and what brought you to coaching?
Jackie: Yeah, sure. So I head up a tax and treasury function for a publicly traded company. So it's a lot of grind. It's a lot of busy, there's a lot of stressful peaks. There's a lot of managing teams working in a corporate environment. And all of that can amount to, you know, a decent amount of stress just based on who I am, my work ethic, trying to work hard, grind through, get through the days. I was really running myself ragged and I needed help. I needed help to kind of unwind where I was, what I actually wanted out of my life. And you guys were so, so, so helpful to me in that.
Nina: The grind sounds familiar.
Kelle: Totally the grind.
Nina: Yeah. Yeah. And so tell us, first of all, like what did you know about coaching before you met us? And why did coaching stand out as a vehicle for what you thought you needed? All the things.
Jackie: Yeah. Truthfully, I knew nothing about coaching other than why the heck would I need coaching? Nobody else is doing coaching. There's nobody I know who's doing coaching. So why would I even consider this? So I came to you guys with an absolute clean slate, wasn't even sure what to expect, to be completely honest and really honestly thinking that I was being, you know, a little off the wall and even considering this for myself. And I was dead wrong, absolutely dead wrong. It was one of the absolute best investments I could ever have made.
Nina: So if you were to like draw a picture of Jackie before coaching, can you tell us what that picture would look like? You know, the small things and the larger things.
Jackie: Yeah, I was in a constant state of stress. I was wound in a knot to be completely honest. I don't know how else to describe it. I was losing confidence in myself. I was losing joy in my job. I love my job. My job is challenging, but that's part of what I like about it. But instead of it feeling that way, it was everything you guys say, you know, resentment, a constant believing that you're not good enough, all of those things. And sure, that's what's happening to you professionally. But when you spend a lot of time at work that's eking into your personal life, into your family life. I didn't feel as present with my family. I didn't feel as present with my son. And it was just constantly rushing from one thing to the next.
Nina: Okay. And so how was this showing up? If you can get a little bit more specific, you know, how is this showing up at work? How is this showing up with your family?
Jackie: So I would say at work, you know, I always strive to be a top performer. I strive to make sure that I'm adding value within my organization. I strive to be sure that I'm supporting my team in the right ways. And every workplace has its unique way about it. But what I was finding was having to go into the committee meetings, going in and meeting with the CFO, the CEO, all of those things were starting to feel really, really heavy. I started to feel as if I wasn't heard.
And potentially, I wasn't because I was so overwhelmed and I couldn't communicate as clearly as I wanted to because I was in that level of overwhelm. And so, you know, maybe it wasn't as disastrous as my mind was making it seem to be, but I had to really walk back and figure out when I put myself in the room and you guys taught me this through science and how to think about it and understand that I was really just experiencing the things the way someone ought to be in those situations. I can now go into a room and understand what are my objectives in that room and not worry so much about reading what everyone else in that room is thinking or overanalyzing what they're doing or worrying about how I'm presenting myself. It's much more now I'm able to go into that room, know what I'm trying to achieve. I'm much calmer. I'm much more confident. I am a work in progress. It is not perfect, but it is a massive strides in a better direction.
Kelle: I remember when we first talked to you and we were talking about stress and emotional management and you mentioned that your life was overwhelming. Your job was very demanding and you said, I know who I am. I could be working at McDonald's and still be stressed out. It's who I am. I wish my career hadn't advanced as high as it has.
Jackie: That's totally true. I was questioning everything. I wanted to quit. I wanted to be done. I didn't want to do this anymore.
Kelle: Yeah. And now, like, where are you with that?
Jackie: So you know I don't know how else to say it other than I'm in a much, much better place. This doesn't mean that there aren't days where I'm like, why am I doing this? Oh, I wish that I could just call it a day. But really, where I sit with this now is I just have the ability to step back to think on purpose, as you guys would say, about what's happening around me.
I've got the tools now, you guys have given me the tools to be able to be thoughtful about how I want my day to go, to be thoughtful about what my objectives are in any given week, to be more realistic about what I'm actually able to accomplish in any given week, because expectations are everything. And what that's really doing for me, my career is incredibly important. But at the end of the day, I'm here at work because I want a great life for my son, because, you know, I want to be challenged, but I also want that time to enjoy having been challenged, to be able to spend time at home, to be able to do those things. And again, I'm a work in progress, but I'm finding that I'm able to be much more present in every moment that I'm in, as opposed to being in a complete and total tangled knot of anxiety at every moment of the day.
Kelle: Oof. Yeah, I feel that. Yeah.
Nina: Yeah, I totally feel that. Oof. Yeah, for sure. Let's go back six months ago and just, you know, when we first met you on a consultation, tell us what your hesitations were about committing to the commitment.
Jackie: Yeah, I had never done anything like this before. I am the queen of canceling meetings left and right just to make it all fit and bouncing things around, putting probably everyone other than myself first in that chain of events, controlling anything that I'd scheduled for myself when work was more of a priority. So twofold for me, I think my two biggest concerns entering coaching were, number one, how the heck is the other person on the other side of the phone going to understand what I need, be able to help me?
I was incredibly doubtful, I'll be honest, ladies, I'm sorry to say it, but I was. And then even if I felt that connection, even if I felt that ability to be coached, how was I actually going to carve out the time and do it? And what I would say is I did that intro call that you guys offered, even that was like a leap of faith, but I said, why not give it a shot? The moment I spoke to the two of you, I just knew, I knew it was a fit. I don't think that it's easy to come by, but it was an absolute fit. You had me with science right from the get go. And it was crystal clear from that, whatever, 30 minutes, 45 minutes, that this was something I needed to carve out the time for myself for. And I stuck with it. And I'm so glad I did. It never felt like a burden to get on the phone. It was something I looked to. It was beneficial. It always helped me to be more productive, certainly not less productive, even though I carved out that time for myself.
Kelle: Amazing. Yeah. Well, and I was just going to mention that that doesn't mean like you showed up in a way that we love as coaches, like you showed up nearly every week. a couple of weeks when, you know, a meeting got put in and you're like, there's no way I can meet with you guys. This week is crazy. And it was never a problem. It was just you realizing like, hey, I can't do it this week, but you were still committed to doing the work even on weeks that we didn't necessarily meet up. So when we say meet up, we're on zoom every week with our calls with clients. And again, sometimes it's not every week. Sometimes it ends up being every other week or sometimes we just need to push. So we just recognize that and you were really a client that, and we love this. We call you our best client because our best clients like to show up not every single week, but a lot of the time and do the work. And when I say do the work, it's like homework. But can you tell us a little bit about the homework and how that was for you.
Jackie: Yeah, I think to be fair, I think that was one of the absolute best parts. So first of all, you guys didn't, at least from my observation, follow this structured and rigid approach. I would come to the call, you would feel me out, what did I need that day? And I feel like it was really fluid. You gave me what I needed in that hour. and then from that hour, I would have homework from you. It wasn't homework that I had to do. It was a tool that you guys I think just knew I needed based upon where I met you that day. So you would give me all these different ways to reflect on how I was feeling or how I was approaching things, whether that was a thought release or I think it was the color wheel was one of my favorites.
And because it was so fluid and because you were giving me the tool that I really, really needed in that moment, I would reflect on it after we would get off that call. I feel great getting off the call. And then, you know, your natural tendency is to kind of go back to the way you were feeling before somebody had talked you off the ledge, so to speak. And those tools help to kind of ground you back to where you were. And so you're giving someone the ability to help themselves. So this is long lasting, it's super impactful, and it carries with you. And having that homework and giving you those tools real time allowed you to see that you can do this, you can use these tools in the future even when Kelly and Nina aren't on the phone call with you.
Nina: What was it like between sessions for you? So we met you for an hour a week and it was just badass and awesome and I really feel like we moved the needle like every time we met you. What was it like in between? Were you kind of you know deer in headlights or how was it? Did you feel supported? Were you kind of like F what am I doing?
Jackie: No, I always felt super, super supported. And I think, by the way, to the point of the homework, I think if I hadn't had the homework, I wouldn't have felt supported. But it helped to give you something to focus on, right? And so even something to act on, right? If you're in action, if you're somebody who is like we are, right, where you do constantly feel this need to go, to be able to even have a way to act when you start to feel that you're overdoing or you're kind of falling back into your previous habits or whatever, that helped to keep you supported, it helped to keep you accountable. And it was never, oh, I have to do this. But there was a lot of, okay, well, you've committed, you've carved out this investment for yourself, this time and everything else. So let's see this through. And having something that held you accountable to yourself, and had you referring to it even again, outside of session, was super, super powerful, I think.
Nina: Nice. And so coming into, again, like the beginning of the container, were you clear on like the process and how this was going to roll out?
Jackie: Well, initially, of course, no. After the first intro session, you guys gave me a feeling, but it wasn't what I thought, I'll be honest, right? I had really high hopes, but it far exceeded what I thought it would be. And again, I think because of the way that you guys approached it, you know, the ease and speaking with you, sharing stuff with you guys, that's not easy to be able to say out loud, it was so much more than I expected that it would be.
Nina: And just a reflection as your coach, I think what's so beautiful about that is when a client comes to a six-month container and can just trust the process and not have all the answers right away and really just sit shotgun and put her seatbelt on and let's effing go sort of thing, you know, and not be overly concerned with what's next in the homework and like overly, right? Because that's what we do, right? And so just the fact that you came into the process with that willingness, you're not just able, you were willing, right? Willing and able to just trust the process, trust us as your coaches, and also trust yourself. I mean, we built belief in yourself along the way, right? And I mean, that was there from the very beginning, Kelly and I saw it. We just had to kind of help you grow it.
Jackie: Well, I appreciate you saying that, but I think that has a lot to do with you guys because I didn't trust the process to anything prior to coaching. So what you just described is exactly what coaching gave me. And if it hadn't been the two of you, it wouldn't have happened as quickly as it did and as fluidly as it did. So thanks for that.
Kelle: Yeah, there was definitely some courage and bravery that you brought. That was just like, I don't know for sure what is going on here. But we're just going to keep going with it. Totally.
Nina: And so we kind of talked about hesitations. Were there challenges? Were there times when you were like, you know, were there kind of, you know, just sort of times when you were confused or just challenges? Yeah.
Jackie: Yeah, absolutely. Right. So I think the one that comes to mind, again, I'm a work in progress. We all are. And we always will be. What you guys helped me to kind of work through is not even professional, but personal in nature. Right. So I came to you guys, I'm about five months in remission from cancer. And so I was sick during COVID and all kinds of stuff. And my way of getting through that at the time was my typical way of being, which is gut it out, don't let anything get in your way, plow through, you've got this, just keep moving forward.
And so I built this whole persona of just having to move forward, never allowing myself to stop and reflect, never allowing myself to actually process what was going on. That was probably my defense mechanism. And so coming to you guys, part of this was really having to reflect on how I got where I am, why I feel the way I feel. And there's still a lot to unpack that I just kind of shoved behind me and kept moving forward from. So there's a lot of exercises that you've helped me with. There's more to be done on all of that. Sometimes really doing that hard work to look back and see, relive, unpack. That's challenging, right? Very, very challenging, but super powerful and super important.
Kelle: One thing that really stood out for me is when we were first talking to you, and we're kind of talking about your self-concept, and you said, I'm watching my confidence tank. I'm losing myself. I can feel it. What do you have to say about that now?
Jackie: It's hard to hear it now because that was the best way I could describe how I felt, right? And I'm very career driven. I've worked very hard to get where I was, overcome adversity in many cases, right? And I finally reached this point where things were actually going well. When I look at it professionally, I was achieving the things that I had always wanted to, but it felt the opposite. It felt like I was totally losing myself. It felt like that lack of confidence I had. It was eroding everything I had been working for, even when it felt like I was achieving the things that I had wanted. And so it's hard to reflect back and hear that. And certainly, our confidence shakes. That's part of life. That's part of being human. But being able to acknowledge it and have you guys help me through that was, again, probably the single most important thing I could have done for myself based upon where I am in my career and in my life, quite frankly.
Kelle: Yeah. So if you were to look at your self-confidence and your self-concept now, what does that look like?
Jackie: It's much better, right? So I think I'm not going to say perfect. I'm not going to say it's where it ultimately could be. Part of that is you're always going to be hard on yourself because you're always wanting to achieve more. And so I think that that's an okay thing to have. But I think when I reflect on where I am now, I am confident again. I am able to walk in a room with only mild levels of anxiety. Things of that nature.
Nina: I am looking at this beautiful e-mail you sent us about kind of summarizing your accountability list, right? Kind of your takeaways from the container. And I remember just reflecting on it. I remember kind of something you did for yourself when we first met to remind yourself of this vision we helped you develop, right? Future Jackie. Can you tell us a little bit more about that?
Jackie: Yeah, this is probably my favorite thing, right? And it's the tool that I use all the time now. So when we started, you guys didn't ask me about my job. You didn't even ask me about my family necessarily. You asked me who I wanted to be and how I wanted to feel. And again, the point of that is really just cutting back to who are you at your core, right? And how do you want to show up? And that's how you guys would phrase it. Who do you want to be at this moment? And again, when I came to you guys at the start, I was a total mess, total mess. And so my approach was I wrote who on my wrist, just in pen, right? And that was my cue to myself when I would walk into a room or when I was in an exchange with someone who, you know, might not be the easiest person to interact with. Who did I want to be in that moment? Not who did they want me to be? Not how should I be? Who did I want to be? And that was grounding at every turn. And it's really what I've used most to get back to myself, to get back to who I do want to be.
Kelle: We always say who before how, right? Well, how about this? We can go very sort of specific and talk about in detail takeaways, but what exactly will you take away from the coaching?
Jackie: I think the key things that I'm taking away from all coaching and all the conversations we've had is expectations, right? I think it starts from expectations. So you have to be realistic with your ambition. You can't be your own bully, right? You can't overdo it. Those things are actually just going to rob your productivity from you. It's going to rob you of the ability to enjoy your work, enjoy what you are working for. So I think that that's probably one of the biggest things. And then I think how you guys really, really helped me is so many times we blame it on ourselves it's well I'm anxious because I'm a mess or you know I'm not coming across right because of this or I'm reading what this person is saying to me this way because you know whatever that's not true you guys brought me to science you always take us back to okay your mind is interpreting this this way because science says that it should right all of those things so as soon as you can really cut back to the why your body or your mind or your being is, you know, looking mind or your being is, you know, looking you not to pick on yourself, it helps you to move forward and take a breath, figure it out and go the way that you need to go.
Nina: Wow. Rock star.
Jackie: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Nina: If that's a takeaway, we'll take it. We'll give it to you. It's awesome. So how complete do you feel right now, Jackie? How complete do you feel after six months of coaching?
Jackie: How complete? That's an interesting question. I have so much more to do, there's so much more to be done, there's so much more growth to be had, all of that. So I don't feel anywhere near complete, but I feel like for the first time in a long time, I'm on the right path. I think you guys helped me to just clear, right? Clear the path, clear the direction that I needed to go so that I can keep moving forward.
Nina: There's always another level, right? With the women we work with, Kel?
Kelle: Yes, we just keep going. There's just that continuing to evolve, right? Like we're always evolving. And so there's always like another, yeah, like you said, Nina, level two. Not to get to, but it's like the self-concept that you're creating for yourself. And it's growing the self-concept of who you are and what you're capable of, always.
Nina: I feel like with a lot of the women we work with too, it's like when you get to that kind of sticky plateau zone and you're sort of like, okay, not the messy middle, but you get a little comfortable, it's kind of time to Tabata. Like it's kind of time to go big again. And so it's fun. It's fun working with these women. Cause there's always like, wait, is it time to Tabata? Maybe.
Kelle: Yeah. Yeah.
Jackie: I think you guys also helped me too to realize like you're in a chapter. This isn't everything, right? You get so laser focused and you get so zoned in on what you're trying to achieve in that moment. But you do, you have to step back and look at the big picture. You're at a chapter. You don't need everything to be perfect. It doesn't all need to be perfect right now, but you have to be present. You have to be there for it. And you have to take from that experience, those opportunities in front of you, whatever you can, so that you can build into the future.
Kelle: I love that. I have one more kind of, so when people come to us, they're kind of coming to us with like one specific problem, like work, you know, and just talking about like how that, even though we would spend a lot of time talking about work and relationships at work and kind of the chaos at work and all that kind of stuff, how that rippled into other areas of your life.
Jackie: Yeah, I think when I came to you guys, typical corporate, right, totally under-resourced at work, so much on your plate, trying to build a team, trying to, you know, manage forward, which means you're working more hours. And so you're working more hours and those hours are becoming more stressful on top of the fact that you're working too many hours. And as ambitious as I may be at times and as much as I love my career, that's not my core, that's not who I am. What matters to me most is my family, my husband and my son, my dog, all of that, right? What I was truly finding was that I would go home and I was so excited to see everybody and I was too exhausted to enjoy it. And then I felt like because I was so tired because I was in a knot, right? Even the moments that I had carved out to be with my son, I was still
Jackie: There, I was still there for him. It wasn't as if I was absent by any stretch, but I just wasn't as present and in the moment as I wanted to be. And so when I realized that, and when I realized it was taking a toll, even in downtime, right, or the times that I should have been enjoying more, that's when I knew I needed to do something. And I'll be honest, at that time, my solution was like, I just got to quit my job, got to move on, this is too much. And so having gone through this process, gone through the six months, what you guys taught me is, okay, you know, sometimes maybe you're not the right fit. Maybe it's not the right job, but that's not the point. You have to develop the skills, the tools to be able to adapt and find yourself in any situation. Because even if you leave this one and you don't give yourself the tools to be successful at the next, you're just going to repeat the process you were just in and you're never going to get to where you want to be. And so being able to work through that slow down, not make rash decisions, not just completely abandon ship, that was huge for me.
Nina: Okay, so Jackie, how about this? Could you share a new thought or belief you have about yourself after having been through coaching?
Jackie: Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I guess mine isn't so much that it's a new thought. I think it's an old thought that I started to disbelieve, right? So I've always been a firm believer that, you know, you should treat other people the way that you want to be treated and, you know, you used to feel that you couldn't be. so long as you were trying to do the right things for your organization and the people around you. Sometimes in the corporate world you get a little tainted and you start to see other people get ahead for doing the opposite and it starts to make you think to yourself maybe I'm doing this wrong maybe this isn't the right approach or maybe this isn't the right place for me or any number of variations of that and I think what I've seen in the past six months months, after slowing down, after having a little bit more trust and faith in myself, I was right at the get-go. You can lead by doing the right things for the organization and the people around you. You should lead from that place of kindness and from trying to be inclusive and make sure that all voices are heard. And when you come across those folks who are a little bit more cutthroat, that's their approach. That's them being them. It shouldn't be a reflection of you. doesn't mean you need to lead that same way, or it doesn't mean that you can't still be successful, even with that culture kind of surrounding him.
Nina: That's cool. That's self-confidence, I think.
Kelle: If someone's on the fence or thinking about coaching, what would you tell them to give them a nudge not to actually just say yes, but to like, at least explore it?
Jackie: I think for anybody who's on the fence about coaching, or somebody who doesn't even know anything about it, at least consider it, right? And you guys, right, you offered that intro session, like, let's meet, let's just tell you what it's kind of about. There is no reason for someone not to do that. It's the same thing as, you know, considering a job interview, like, why would you not consider the job you have all the time in the world to say no to, you should at least consider it. And so what I think is super powerful, if you're going to go down this road and do this, you have to be sure that the people that you're talking to are a fit for you. And again, with you guys, I knew within minutes that it was absolutely the right fit for me. And just your approach, the methodologies, the fact that this was science-backed. It wasn't, let's just talk in a room. It was also, for me, something that was super important. It didn't feel like
Jackie: rah-rah girls, right? It was, again, science-backed. Yes, we are women. Yes, we bring something to the table that might be different than men might, right? But that's not the point. You can't approach this from a mentality of because I am a woman, I have to do things differently. It was just how do you operate in any set environment? And so finding a coach for me that handled things that way, that this wasn't going to be rah-rah woman power, that was amazing for me. And so there's zero reason not to get on an intro phone call. There's zero reason not to make this investment in yourself. There's zero reason not to try to do something that's going to help you moving forward because guess what? You're not just helping yourself. You're helping your family. You're helping your organization. You're helping your team. You're helping everyone. So it's not just for you. It's not a selfish endeavor.
Nina: Yeah, that's a great point. And that's something that we did touch on, right? Like self-care is community care. Like when you do invest in yourself, it's just the ripple effect. It's just really impactful.
Kelle: Okay, that brought up one more question for me, because Nina and I do things a little bit different, because you have two coaches coaching you at the same time. So how was that for you?
Jackie: I think that was the neatest part of it. I don't know. And actually, now that you say that, I was a little concerned about that at the start, because I didn't understand how that would work. I think one of the coolest things was that there were two of you. So similar, right? And you guys are coming from the same place. But it was two different perspectives. And one of you might say something in one situation that just as you guys would say, how does that land for you would land more, you just say it in a way that it connected for me. And it felt like you were just having a conversation, it almost took the pressure off of you. It was the three of us having a conversation. And that helped it to be really fluid and just really comfortable from the get-go.
Nina: I mean, we love it. We're biased though.
Kelle: We have so much fun doing this. We are very passionate about what we do and we want our clients to hop on a call. And of course, we're getting shit done, but we want to do it in a way that's also like we are kind of like your girlfriends hanging out with you, except for we're not just offering advice, we're offering tools so that you can figure out the best way to move forward for yourself.
Nina: We're going to ask you those hard questions that your friends aren't going to ask because they don't want you to be mad at them. Yeah. We're not just going to agree with you and believe everything that you say. Yeah.
Jackie: Yes.
Nina: Yes. I had a client text me last week. They go, I hate you with a heart. And I was like, I can handle that. That's absolutely perfect. I got that. I got that. It's true. It's true.
Kelle: Yeah. Okay. Well, Jackie, thank you so much for trusting us to be your coaches. Thank you for coming on and being willing to talk to the ambitious-ish audience that you are very much a part of. We just really appreciate you.
Jackie: Well, thank you, guys. You truly, truly, truly have made a difference for me, and I will be forever grateful.
Nina: So welcome. This is so cool. your time and we'll chat soon of course. Yes, see you next time. That's all for today. Thanks all. Bye.
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Kelle: Thank you so much for listening to today’s episode of Ambitious-Ish.
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Kelle: See you in the next episode!
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